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Fantasy Figures Exposed: All the Nationalist Marches to Date



A Force For Good held another of our "Jubilee Street Stalls" on Saturday 14 May 2022 in the centre of Glasgow (pictured) – constructively engaging with the Great British Public – while a small band of Scottish nationalists held another pointless separatist shuffle through the centre of the city.


This article was originally published, with the video below, on 15 May 2022. It is updated regularly with new information regarding the numbers on recent Scottish nationalist marches.


A Force For Good's trademark Action is our bold and exciting Counter-Presence events. However, recent pro-SNP marches have been too small to warrant our official Presence. Instead we engage in the productive activity of physically meeting the public at our Street Stalls.


However, we still ensure to have our activists filming and counting the divisive dawdlers!


We counted 773 of the pro-SNP folk on Saturday 14th May 2022, traipsing forlornly along their Road to Nowhere. You can count them yourself from our video below, and no doubt you'll hit a number close to ours.



Absurdly, they claimed "5,000", but as you can see from the video footage, the camera doesn't lie! They passed our counting point in 6 minutes and 15 seconds!


If there really were "5,000", they would have to be passing by at the speed of 800 a minute, which is clearly absurd.


It is important to reveal the true numbers at these events because otherwise people will believe the lies, and this will lead them to imagine that the level of support for this behaviour is greater than it actually is, and then they risk becoming demoralised, and give up!


The truth is that the nationalists are inflating their figures up to 22 times (at Edinburgh 5-10-19).


Here, for the record, are all our Counts to date:


Glasgow, 14-10-23: Yes2Indee, 57. Video on our YouTube site.

Falkirk, 23-9-23: All Under One Banner (AUOB) said 1,500. Actual 348. Video on our YouTube site.

Glasgow, 16-9-23: Scotland United for Independence (formerly Hope Over Fear) Static Rally, 250.

Edinburgh, 2-9-23: Believe in Scotland (BIS) said "25,000" or "10,000. Actual 3,989. Our report and video here.

Kyleakin, Isle of Skye 26-8-23: AUOB said 500. Actual 196.

Ayr 29-7-23: AUOB said 2K. Actual 660. Video on our YouTube site.

Stirling 24-6-23: AUOB said 5K. Actual 965. Video on our YouTube site.

Glasgow 6-5-23: AUOB said 20K. Actual 3,726. Video of the march is here.

Edinburgh 1-4-23 Yes2, 503.

Glasgow 8-10-22: Yestival (formerly Hope Over Fear) Static Rally, 335.

Edinburgh 1-10-22: AUOB said 7K. Actual 1,335.

Inverness 20-8-22: AUOB said 3K. Actual 633.

Dumfries 11-6-22: AUOB said 1.2K. Actual 359. Video on our YouTube site.

Glasgow 14-5-22: AUOB said 5K. Actual 773 (see video above).

Arbroath 2-4-22: AUOB said 3K. Actual 793.

Edinburgh 19-3-22: Yes2, 277.

Paisley 5-3-22: AUOB said 2.5K. Actual 598.

Glasgow 22-1-22: AUOB said 1K. Actual 297.

Edinburgh 27-11-21: Scottish Independence Movement (SIM), 88.

Glasgow 9-10-21: Yes2 said 650: Actual 367.

Edinburgh 25-9-21: AUOB said 5K: Actual 847.

Glasgow 19-9-21: Hope Over Fear Static Rally, 113.

Dundee 18-9-21: SIM, 73.

Stirling 11-9-21: AUOB said 2K: Actual 360.

Glasgow 14-8-21: SIM, 320.

Dundee 31-7-21: AUOB Static Rally, 57.


A Force For Good organised a Counter-Presence at the following:


Glasgow 6-8-22: Yes2, 108.

Stirling 25-6-22: AUOB said 2K. Actual 432.

Glasgow 17-7-21: Yes2, 34. One of our videos is on our YouTube.

Glasgow 1-5-21: AUOB Static Rally, George Sq, 65, the day of AFFG's Union Day Rally.

Glasgow 17-9-20: AUOB Static Demo, BBC Studios, 80. A video of our action is here.

Glasgow 11-1-20: AUOB (and SNP) said 80K: Actual 10,156. Report and videos here.

Edinburgh 5-10-19: AUOB (and SNP) said 200-250K: Actual 11,286. Our report here.

Perth 7-9-19: AUOB said 20K: Actual 3,160. Our report and video here.

Dunfermline 31-8-19: Forward as One, 838. Our report and video here.

Aberdeen 17-8-19: AUOB said 12K: Actual 2,563. Our report is here.

Campbeltown 27-7-19: AUOB said 2K: Actual 974. Our report and video here.

Ayr 6-7-19: AUOB said 13K: Actual 2,672. Our report and video here.

Oban 15-6-19: AUOB said 7K: Actual 1,757. Our report and video here.

Galashiels 1-6-19: AUOB said 5K: Actual 2,122. Our report and video here.

Glasgow 4-5-19: AUOB said 100K: Actual 8,796. Our report and link to a video here.

Edinburgh 6-10-18: AUOB said 100K: Actual 12,789. Our report and video here.

Glasgow 15-9-18: Hope Over Fear, 314. Our report here.

Dunfermline 1-9-18: Forward as One, 491. Our report and video here.

Dundee 18-8-18: AUOB said 16K: Actual 3,538. Our report and video here.

Inverness 28-7-18: AUOB said 14K: Actual 3,386. Our report and video here.

Dumfries 2-6-18: AUOB (and Police) said 10K: Actual 1,854. Our report at the time is here and a later report and link to video is here.


There are 3 AUOB marches for which we do not have exact numbers:


Glasgow 5-5-18: We're on Union Street again and this time we bring down The Sunday Herald. Here we discuss numbers prior to the point when we decided to film and count every march.

Glasgow 16-9-17: We launch our Union City Glasgow campaign on Union Street.

Glasgow 3-6-17: Our first Thin Red Line – 15 British Heroes Assemble! This video on our YouTube from the heat of the action gives a visceral sense of the event!


PRIOR to 2014

Furthermore, there were two marches in Edinburgh prior to the 2014 referendum. These were in 2012 and 2013. They did not march in 2014. A Force For Good was at both. Our reports were the only in-depth analyses which appeared at the time. The numbers that the Police estimated can be seen now, given what we know about Police estimates (see the absurd Police estimate for Dumfries on 2-6-18) to likely have been on the very generous side! The reports below take you to our Legacy website, which is still available for reference purposes:


Edinburgh 21-9-13: Anti-UK March Attracts SNP Hardcore (and Basically No-one Else). Police estimate "8,300".

Edinburgh 22-9-12: Nationalist March and Messages Fail to Attract Mainstream. Organisers said "10,000". Police estimate "5,000".


WALES

The AUOB branch in Wales is following the same lying strategy, and the exaggerated script, of the Scottish AUOB. "AUOB Cymru" held 3 marches in 2019, in Cardiff, Caernarfon and Merthyr. Its fourth march was in Wrexham on 2nd July 2022. If you live in Wales and you'd like to help us video them in order to expose their lies, then please contact us.


Or, at least, please video them from your mobile phone, from an elevated position (for example, on steps or in a cafe on the first floor) from the absolute beginning to the ultimate end of their march, and put the video out publicly and then tell us about it...and we'll count them! It is a good day out and it's very satisfying activism!


Otherwise THEIR LYING NARRATIVE will dominate all the news channels!


Cardiff 1-10-22: AUOB Cymru said 10K

Wrexham 2-7-22: AUOB Cymru said 8K: Actual 1,668.

Merthyr Tydfil 7-9-19: AUOB Cymru said 5.3K: Actual 2,751.

Caernarfon 27-7-19:

Cardiff 11-5-19:


COUNT PROTOCOL

- We count everyone who is walking down the road, and everyone on both sides of the pavement who look like they are part of the march. The presumption is that they are part of the march.

- We count them in batches of 100, and we make a note on a pad at every "100" reached.

- We do not count children under 14. However, the video evidence usually shows that there are only a few of them anyway, so if you want to count them in too, you will find it doesn't make much difference to the overall figure.

- Our presumption is always to be generous. We do not want to under-estimate. For example, if we can't tell if it is 1 or 2 people behind a flag, we go with 2. If we can't tell if it is 3 or 4, we go with 4, and so on.

- Marshals, identifiable in yellow vests, are included in the count.

- Numbers do not include the "Yes Bikers" on their motorcycles, unless stated.


COUNTING TIPS

We count the entire march, head by head from the very beginning to the police passing at the end. You can do so too by occasionally pausing the video.


For longer marches, if you simply want to confirm that we are in the approximate ballpark, then here is what you can do: You can count the first 5 min period and multiply it by the appropriate factor based upon the length of the march. That is, if the march takes 60 minutes, multiply your figure by 12.


That will be over-estimating the numbers since the beginning is the busiest part, and as the march goes on there are usually several periods when the march is quite sparse, or when the road is virtually empty (because it is being held up by police to allow traffic and pedestrians to cross).


Alternatively, count several random 5 minute periods throughout the march, and take an average, then multiply it by the relevant factor, or count several random 1 minute periods, find an average, and multiply by the relevant factor.


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