AFFG Reveals Number at Edinburgh March: 12,789

AFFG Activists Edinburgh 6-10-18

The "All Under One Banner" (AUOB) organisers have been putting out crazy figures for their Scottish Nationalist marches all year, assisted by a complacent media and in some cases by (what appears to be) careless Police estimates.

AUOB claimed – at various times – anything between 60-90K in Glasgow on 5 May, which took an hour to pass.

They claimed 10K at Dumfries on 2 June, in a 25 minute march!

They claimed 14K at Inverness on 28 July. Real figure 3,386 (we filmed and counted them).

They claimed 16K at Dundee on 18 August. Real figure 3,538 (we filmed and counted them).

And yesterday they are claiming in excess of 100K at their march in Edinburgh on 6 October (with some even bigger figures being put around).

All exaggerated nonsense.

Well, A Force For Good was not only standing strong along the Royal Mile as the march passed us, but we filmed and counted them, once again.

We asked two different people to analyse our video evidence and to count each and every marcher, according to our following Protocol:

Our Count Protocol

- Every adult on the road, counted.

- The presumption is to be generous. We do not want to under-estimate. For example, if we can't tell if it is 1 or 2 people behind a flag, we go with 2. If we can't tell if it is 3 or 4, we go with 4, and so on.

- People on pavement counted only if they are clearly part of the march, such as dressed for the occasion or carrying a flag.

- No children who looked 14 or under counted, since they are only there because their parents have brought them along.

- The Marshals standing next to AFFG, added in.

We did not include the Bikers since we have no footage of their numbers.

We then took the average of the two counts, which were both close to each other.

The march took 1 hour and 50 minutes to pass our counting point.

Guess what, it's not 100,000. It's not 90,000, it's not 60,000. It's not 35,000. It's not 30,000. It is not even 20,000 as estimated by Edinburgh City Council (although 20,000 is definitely at the right end of the scale).

It is not even in the teens...

It's 12,789.


After the hype of the extraordinary "100,000" figure promoted in the media, and on the front page of the Sunday National, some people may be astonished to hear the truth.

Some people may struggle to believe what we are saying!

However, we'll upload the video to this page in the next 24 hours and people are free to count the marchers for themselves.

[Here it is now...]

If you don't want to sit and count for 1 hour 50 minutes – like we do – then count for 10 minutes and multiply your number by 11. You'll find yourself at the lower end of our figure.

How to Imagine Numbers

It's understandable that people are likely to believe big figures because crowds are difficult to estimate by looking at them. After all, very few people know what "100,000" looks like, or 50,000, or 30,000, or 12,789.

AUOB is playing a clever game because they know most people don't know the difference.

However, anyone who has ever been in a big sports stadium and really looked at the crowd will have a better idea. For example:

Wembley has a capacity of 90,000.

Murrayfield has a capacity of 67,144.

Celtic Park has a capacity of 60,832.

Hampden has a capacity of 52,063.

Ibrox has a capacity of 50,817.

Here's a pic of Wembley at full 90,000 capacity. We are meant to believe there were 10,000 more than this ambling slowly down the Royal Mile in 1 hour 50 minutes!

Wembley at full 90,000 capacity

Imagine trying to get these people above to slowly amble out the stadium via one exit...with lots of gaps between them. It would take hours and hours and hours.

AUOB did Well!

AUOB were always going to claim "100,000" at Edinburgh regardless of the reality.

Even if a small number had turned up, they weren't going to claim less than the 90,000 they claimed in Glasgow, back on 5th May.